tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post2324351252028121047..comments2024-03-05T17:55:58.806+00:00Comments on Nanny Knows Best: Nanny's Child SnatchersKen Frosthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13568488818950912374noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-20087510629841709922009-07-09T09:29:22.957+01:002009-07-09T09:29:22.957+01:00Anticant feels free to air his prefudiced anti Ame...Anticant feels free to air his prefudiced anti American sentiment "talentless American weirdo" for a man who most reasonable people would agree suffered from mental problems. Indeed I recall Michael Parkison explaining that he turned down a very lucrative exclusive interview with one Mr Jackson on the grounds that it "was like talking to a child, the man could not mentally defend himself. Why not got the full hog and use the langauge of the Murdoch press and 'Wacko'oh I forgot you doubtless read only the 'quality press' probably the Guardain eh as in your arrogant and condescending view anyone who reads the Murdoch press is part of the 'gormless masses.'<br /><br />Thus,in true Nu Labour Nanny sytle Anticant airs his own prejudices which he arrogantly assumes we must share, whilst squealing with reghteous idnigation when one of his own pet minorities (he does seem to have a bit of thing for homosexuals) is criticised even midly for receiving public funds.<br /><br />Hypocrite and a sucker who perpetautes the Nanny state at the same time.General Shermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-35041070471929411142009-07-09T07:42:31.662+01:002009-07-09T07:42:31.662+01:00In what is an alledegdly free society homosexuals ...In what is an alledegdly free society homosexuals can declare "we're here, we're queer get used to it" which smacks me as a little strident and possibly hetrophobic - can I now plead for some money as an oppresed minority, who was terribly frightened by such language? Or is it only the 'minorities' deemed worhty by nanny and her hand maiden bleeding heart liberals who qualify? If so, I imagine some who post here would love to be on the panel making the decision, so long as the panel did not have any 'weirdo Americans' on it perchance.Priscilla Queen of Brightonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-51744643028441145202009-07-08T17:39:20.981+01:002009-07-08T17:39:20.981+01:00You're wise to ignore him Anticant.
His paren...You're wise to ignore him Anticant.<br /><br />His parents probably have no idea what he's up to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-2051378548639751412009-07-08T16:15:50.096+01:002009-07-08T16:15:50.096+01:00"It is wrong to promote ANY sexual matters to..."It is wrong to promote ANY sexual matters to young schoolchildren."<br />Quite right, and that was the reason for the perfectly sensible Section 28, which simply banned the <i>promotion</i> of homosexuality (the use of children's reading books such as "Jenny Lives with Eric and Martin" or "Somebody-or-other has two mummies" (or was it daddies?). Section 28 was nothing to apologize for.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-44775452010717600712009-07-08T15:50:10.936+01:002009-07-08T15:50:10.936+01:00anticant :
I see "homophobic bullying" i...anticant :<br />I see "homophobic bullying" is a subject matter close to your heart. So were you called a "sausage jockey" and a "poof" all through school? or did it start at a certain age?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-5052429855253224862009-07-08T15:50:08.418+01:002009-07-08T15:50:08.418+01:00Anticant:
You said: “I hope that in future we can...<b>Anticant:</b><br /><br />You said: “<i>I hope that in future we can discuss this ... without descending to personal insults.</i>”<br /><br />You also said: “<i>the gormless masses fed endless tripe and trivia by the (largely Murdoch-dominated) media are more worked up about the death of a talentless American weirdo</i>”<br /><br />I detect double standards!<br /><br /><br /><br /><b>'not a bad anonymous':</b><br /><br /> Most had probably already worked out that you were the good Anonymous, not the bad Anonymous.<br /><br />I'm also one of the Anonymouses in the thread but I'm not going to say which one.<br /><br />Generally speaking, and from what I've worked out so far, there's a number of reasons why people use the Anonymous label, but most fall into one or more of the following categories:<br /><br /><br /><br />1. Couldn't-Give-a-Toss Anonymous.<br /><br />This Anonymous generally doesn't care who thinks who said what.<br />If someone thinks they said it - fine. If they think someone else said it - fine also.<br /><br /><br />2. Couldn't-Give-a-Toss-Lazy Anonymous.<br /><br />This one exhibits all the characteristics of Anonymous 1 but in addition, finds that clicking on the 'Anonymous' radio button generally requires less effort than typing in a fake name each time.<br /><br /><br />3. Flaming Anonymous.<br /><br />This Anonymous seems to think the Internet was invented specifically for the purpose of hurling gratuitous abuse at others, whilst hiding behind the safety of an anonymous identify from the comfort of their own bedroom. They know that if they behaved that way on the streets they'd probably have developed a permanent limp by now and be unable to walk without the aid of crutches.<br /><br /><br />4. Symbiotic Anonymous.<br /><br />This Anonymous gets some curious amusement from letting on to be one of the other Anonymouses. Sometimes they can pull it off, sometimes they can't. Where they can't, it's usually because they're from another country and haven't yet sussed all the nuances of English English. On at least one occasion, they've been responsible for all Hell breaking loose.<br /><br /><br />5. Pavlovian Anonymous.<br /><br />This Anonymous reckons, most human behaviour can be modelled on Pavlov's dogs. In the same way as Pavlov's dogs jumped to conclusions as soon as they heard the sound of a bell, likewise most humans have a desire to stick a label on everyone they meet. That way, their lives become much easier. Rather than having to listen to, and think anew about, what someone says, they can take the easier approach of turning to the label to decide what they think they should have said.<br /><br /><br />6. Not-a-Bad-Anonymous.<br /><br />Little is known about this one. It may be a new species.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-19393886259908460032009-07-08T15:40:32.802+01:002009-07-08T15:40:32.802+01:00Anticant:
I agree that often people are only oppo...Anticant:<br /><br />I agree that often people are only opposed to public funding of organisations they don't like.<br /><br />A few years ago, as I recall, the RNLI were refused funding from the lottery because they did not rescue enough ethnic minorities; It is this type of "policy decision" that gives fuel to the bigot's fire.<br />Some may say that lottery money is not public funding and indeed, as it was originally set up by John Major,it was not but, Labour changed the law and the lottery, in my opinion, has become the government's slush fund, the Olympic funding is a prime example.<br /><br />What I find mathematically confusing about the lotto is this, the prize fund seems to be decreasing but the number of winners that have to share the top prize seems to be increasing...Odd that isn't it as staistically, one would expect the number of winners to decrease if the number of tickets sold decreases, unless of course a greater proportion of the overall income is being diverted.<br /><br />With regards to the age that kids should be taught about sexual diversity, I shall have to bow to your greater knowledge, as I can only think back to my own level of maturity and my own levels of sexual interest at 14 or 15 years of age....I still maintain that such lessons and information should be restricted to secondary school kids unless specifically requested by the youngster via say a school counsellor. It is a very difficult one to call and I suspect there is no one fits all solution to it.Tonk.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-70455330454316409112009-07-08T14:40:45.785+01:002009-07-08T14:40:45.785+01:00Tonk, Julius, Lord of Atlantis and Anon. I never s...Tonk, Julius, Lord of Atlantis and Anon. I never said children shouldn’t be taught values. Of course they should. But there are no specifically sexual values, other than the Golden Rule of not doing anything to anyone else that you wouldn’t wish done to yourself, taking responsibility for your own actions, and respecting others as equal human beings. It is about understanding difference; not about telling children all the graphic details of intimate behaviour. I went to a school whose motto was “Always a Gentleman”. It sounds a bit old fashioned now, but I think it’s a good guide to life.<br /><br />Where I differ from Tonk is that 14 or 15 is too late to teach children that sexual diversity exists – I know many gay people who say that they knew their own natures by the time they were 10 or 11, and not through any seduction or ‘grooming’ by an adult or older child. It is that age group where the ignorant bullying and name-calling is most hurtful.<br /> <br />Unfortunately as you say we don’t live in an ideal world, and some parents are unfit to have children, let alone to rear them. But they are the exception not the rule, and Nanny’s mistake is to regard ALL parents as probably inadequate and delinquent. It is the blown up hysteria about paedophilia which has resulted in parents being treated as potential criminals without any proof, as in this case, and being banned from school sports days in case some ‘unsavoury characters’ gain access to kids. This is paranoid. I do not believe for one moment that the country is infested with predatory paedophiles prowling every neighbourhood. Most cases of child abuse and cruelty occur within the family, as with Baby P.<br /><br />As for spending public money on minority interests and ‘diversity’, that has been the policy of governments of all parties for many years in the interests of social cohesion. I would be the first to agree that a lot of this money is mis-spent, but I don’t think we will deal with the issue effectively by singling out those groups we happen to dislike. Voluntary groups of all types simply cannot raise all the money they need to survive, and if all government grants to the voluntary sector were axed the consequence would be an even heavier drain upon the public purse. <br /><br />And of course I agree too that people who make their sexual identity the defining feature of their existence are pathetic. I certainly don’t think that my sexuality, important though it is to me, is the most interesting or significant thing about me. <br /><br />As a bleeding-heart liberal (according to some of the posters here), I am utterly opposed to ‘hate speech’ laws, and think that everyone’s point of view, however obnoxious, should have the right to be aired. Free speech is the bedrock of a free society, however much Nanny purses her lips against it. But as Ken says, let’s stick to the issues and not be personally rude to one another.anticanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-54607900517076055612009-07-08T13:41:10.592+01:002009-07-08T13:41:10.592+01:00Anticant,
Re: your comment on my post...
If publ...Anticant,<br /><br />Re: your comment on my post...<br /><br />If publicly funded 'gay pride' marches aren't spending public money promoting a minority group, then i really don't know what its.<br /><br />Tonk makes a valid point about taxpayers, but if we all got to spend money on things 'close to our heart' then there would be nothing left for the necessities. That's all public money should be spent on.<br /><br />And i don't read the papers.... as an FYI, (previous posts under anon were not from myself - i should really create a profile).<br /><br />Agree with your comments re: Islam. The principles of Da'Wa are well underway in this country. We would do well to be concerned at its spread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-27319505463450861002009-07-08T13:33:40.212+01:002009-07-08T13:33:40.212+01:00JC:
Yes I agree, responsibility should also be t...JC:<br /><br />Yes I agree, responsibility should also be taught, what about morality, should that be taught and if so, who's morality?Tonk.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-47765614446107015872009-07-08T13:27:45.354+01:002009-07-08T13:27:45.354+01:00If it is necessary to include sex education lesson...If it is necessary to include sex education lessons in schools, because parents are unable or unwilling to do so, surely we should be teaching more than the mechanics of reproduction. It is absolutely crucial that they are also taught about their responsibilities, a dirty word under nuLabour's 'uman rights philosophy, and responsible sexual practices.Julius Caesarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-9094888121317222572009-07-08T13:05:13.305+01:002009-07-08T13:05:13.305+01:00Anticant:
Yes children should be taught about the...Anticant:<br /><br />Yes children should be taught about the mechanics of reproduction but again, I would say in secondary school, not primary school. I agree with Lord of Atlantis that basic sexual education, in an ideal world, should be taught by the parents, however we don't live in an ideal world.<br />If we did restrict sex education to just the mechanics of reproduction, then it follows homosexuality would not be mentioned:-)<br />I feel that once kids are about fourteen of fifteen years of age then the sex education syllabus could be widened to talk about other orientations and attractions. I would suggest in these circumstances, the primary role of the teacher would be to inform, not promote any particular orientation.<br /><br />Lord of Atlantis raised a good point about whether money should be spent on some special interests and I would agree with him; A common good test should be applied and clearly, neither pro rape nor paedophilia should be promoted and have money spent on them. This point however raises an interesting debate in itself; When I was young, being a practicing homosexual was a crime and frowned upon in much the same way as peadophiles are today.....I AM NOT LINKING HOMOSEXUALITY TO PAEDOPHILIA IN ANY WAY AS I KNOW, FROM A PROFESSIONAL PERSPECTIVE, THE TWO ARE NOT LINKED, however what would people's views be if, as was the case in the early 1960s with homosexuality given its then criminal status,peadophilia ceased to be a criminal offence....Would people today still be predjudiced against those that practiced such things? If the media and schools then promoted it and said it was an acceptable lifestyle choice and was equal to any other, would it take a generation for it to become acceptable. I think it is difficult to change people's attitudes about things that society have branded wrong. As I previously stated, once my, and reading your blog Anticant, your generation has died out, I suspect the predjudice against homosexuals will too. In my view, too many militant homosexuals make their sexuality their main identity; I attended a diversity course before I retired and the presenter stood up at the start of the course and said my name is John and I am gay. I stood up and said my name and that I shag my wife....He got really angry and banged on about my sexual preferences being irrelavent, I retorted that his orientation must be too and that surely he was more than a sexuality. On my ward I had two homosexual male nurses and several black South African nurses, I never saw them as a colour nor an orientation, I only saw them as people.....I feel to many single issue groups do make too much about their single issue and, in effect, do their cause a disservice if not, real harm. Again it comes down to the public's perception of how a "special group" are treated compared to the rest of us.<br />An assault is an assault, it matters not what the motivation is, it is still an assault and should be prosecuted as such....The Offences Against The Persons Act protected all people from assault and a new special law to give extra special status to any group, be that based on colour, religion or sexuality was not needed; It is laws like this that gets people's backs up and gives fuel to those bigots that want to blame a certain group for all the ills in the world.<br />I hope this makes sense as I feel sometimes I am clumsy with my words and language.Tonk.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-8127201281956174492009-07-08T12:04:02.308+01:002009-07-08T12:04:02.308+01:00the man from AUNTIE said...
A hetrosexual (sic) o...the man from AUNTIE said... <br />A hetrosexual (sic) or metrosexual pride march might be rather fun. I wonder who would turn up?<br />11:17 AM<br /><br />Nobody from nuLabour!Julius Caesarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-76713284957190499642009-07-08T11:58:22.303+01:002009-07-08T11:58:22.303+01:00Tonk. said...
"Homosexual people are also ta...Tonk. said... <br />"Homosexual people are also tax payers and therefore some of their tax money should be spent on causes close to their hearts. There are many things that my tax money is spent on, which if I were given a choice, I would prefer it was not. Eg The EUSSR, PFI etc etc."<br /><br />A very good point, although I would question whether ALL taxpayers should have public money spent on the cause close to their hearts: e.g. rapists or paedaphiles, for example.<br /><br />Tonk also said:<br />"It is wrong to promote ANY sexual matters to young schoolchildren; I refer to those at infants and junior schools, it is my opinion that nothing to do with any form of sexual relationships should be taught to such young children."<br /><br />I quite agree. I hope I don't come across as looking through rose tinted spectacles, but in my humble opinion, in an ideal world, which we are by nomeans living in, such matters should be the responsibility of parents.<br /><br />Tonk also said:<br />"Equality laws seldom change people's attitudes or in other words you can't legislate what people think." <br /><br />Too true neither is it desirable to do so.<br /><br />Tonk also said:<br />"The Catholic Church, of which I am a member, does not hate homosexuals; The church loves them but, because it goes against biblical teaching, it hates what it deems to be a sin.<br />It should be noted that the Catholic church also deems any sexual contact outside of marriage to be a sin so the homosexual and hetrosexual people are treated the same. If a person is not a believer I cannot see why they would worry what a religious group thinks about anything."<br /><br />I am not a Catholic myself, but am a practicing Christian, albeit not a very good one, as I must admit. However, this sums up my position as well. I too oppose ALL bullying, be that against a minority by a majority or a particular ethic group or by issue or minority groups, supposedly in the name of equality.<br />As you rightly say, Tonk, equality must mean equality, although I too doubt that it can ever be achieved for the same reasons you give. And yes,so-called 'positive discrimination' is discrimination, pure and simple.<br /><br /> the man from UNCLE said... <br />"Anticant, Any sum of tax payer money doled out to specific 'disadvantaged' groups be they gays or muslims is wrong. Such groups then get on board the 'grievance and 'uman rights' gravy tain and use nanny's laws to dictate to the majority what they can say and think.<br />I bet if decided to hold a hetrosexual pride march not only would I be barred from public money, and told that my sexuality is my own affair, and probably accused of being a nazi too boot." <br /><br />That is exactly what would happen. You would almost certainly be prosecuted for inciting hatred too!<br /><br /> Number 6 said... <br />"Nanny's laws are not child centric, they are anti-human, in my book."<br /><br />They certainly are!<br /><br />Ken said... <br />"Folks, I appreciate this subject has got all of our blood pressures raised and a lively debate has ensued; but please could we refrain from calling each other names."<br /><br />Well said, Ken. On a site like this, there is bound to be a diversity of opinions, but we should respect the views of others, even if we disagree with them.Lord of Atlantisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-63153449313045726812009-07-08T11:17:47.281+01:002009-07-08T11:17:47.281+01:00A hetrosexual (sic) or metrosexual pride march mig...A hetrosexual (sic) or metrosexual pride march might be rather fun. I wonder who would turn up?the man from AUNTIEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-23962127072584857422009-07-08T10:59:38.345+01:002009-07-08T10:59:38.345+01:00I would just like to point out that I am the first...I would just like to point out that I am the first 'anonymous' on this thread, not the one that starting calling people names! Probably not important to anyone, but I felt I had to point that out!not a bad anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-49856031239223667862009-07-08T10:11:57.403+01:002009-07-08T10:11:57.403+01:00Folks, I appreciate this subject has got all of ou...Folks, I appreciate this subject has got all of our blood pressures raised and a lively debate has ensued; but please could we refrain from calling each other names.<br /><br />Nanny is meant to be the target of our opium/oprium/obrium/whatever (I can't be bothered to look up the spelling, but you know what I mean:)) not each other.<br /><br />ThanksKen Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13568488818950912374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-92012802530430025972009-07-08T09:54:34.785+01:002009-07-08T09:54:34.785+01:00Nanny's laws are not child centric, they are a...Nanny's laws are not child centric, they are anti-human, in my book.Number 6noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-74912187437513817462009-07-08T09:53:41.889+01:002009-07-08T09:53:41.889+01:00Anticant,
Any sum of tax payer money doled out to...Anticant,<br /><br />Any sum of tax payer money doled out to specific 'disadvantaged' groups be they gays or muslims is wrong. Such groups then get on board the 'grievance and 'uman rights' gravy tain and use nanny's laws to dictate to the majority what they can say and think.<br /><br />I bet if decided to hold a hetrosexual pride march not only would I be barred from public money, and told that my sexuality is my own affair, and probably accused of being a nazi too boot. <br /><br />As to the assertion that someone who claims that they have nothing against gays, who are you to judge the veracity of their statement? Another self-rightous liberal I am afraid.the man from UNCLEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-53153064947477869512009-07-08T09:35:53.031+01:002009-07-08T09:35:53.031+01:00The problem is that future generations won't h...The problem is that future generations won't have any standard of comparison with former times. They will never have known anything different. They will take Nanny's endless interference in their lives for granted. <br /><br />What is so frightening about the story in Ken's original post is that the teachers, social workers and police involved have been brainwashed into believing that they behaved in a reasonable manner, instead of realising that what they did was totally OTT and unprofessional.anticanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-21387924919285111282009-07-08T08:27:02.073+01:002009-07-08T08:27:02.073+01:00The statistic is often quoted that every Labour go...The statistic is often quoted that every Labour government has ended with a failed economy, after which a Conservative government has been re-elected and spent the subsequent years putting things back together again.<br /><br />A few months ago there was even a Labour politician quoted, joking to one of his Conservative friends: “Well it looks like you guys are going to have to come in and clear up the mess again.”.<br /><br />However, this time, things are qualitatively different. There won't be a quick fix. Future generations are going to feel the impact of this government's policies much more intensely than this generation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-72378274880692673302009-07-08T07:51:36.115+01:002009-07-08T07:51:36.115+01:00Islam is already getting a hold on this country, a...Islam is already getting a hold on this country, and if demographic trends continue as they are now it will have an increasingly tight grip within twenty years. Multiculturalism - the false doctrine that all belief systems are of equal value and can all be accommodated in a free society - is intellectual garbage and political poison. Plenty of people in the 1930s thought that Hitler could and should be accommodated. How wrong they were.anticanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-44271493348061086032009-07-08T06:45:51.530+01:002009-07-08T06:45:51.530+01:00Tonk:'I do appreciate that if Islam ever got a...Tonk:'I do appreciate that if Islam ever got a hold in this country, then homosexuals would have a major problem'<br /><br />Just homosexuals Tonk? Try:<br /><br />''I do appreciate that if Islam ever got a hold in this country, then anyone who isn't a Muslim would have a major problem''skydognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-78574708161890876602009-07-08T06:04:24.245+01:002009-07-08T06:04:24.245+01:00Thanks for such a sensible, adult comment, Tonk. I...Thanks for such a sensible, adult comment, Tonk. I entirely agree with almost all that you say. Of course sexual behaviour of any type should not be promoted or encouraged among schoolchildren, but they do need to be taught the facts of reproduction, and also that there is a spectrum of sexual attitudes and emotions which should be respected as long as others are not unwillingly involved or hurt. Parents are not always able or prepared to do this, and so schools do have a role.<br /><br />There is no specifically sexual ethic: how to treat others in sexual and emotional relationships is part and parcel of learning how to treat others with respect, tolerance and dignity in all aspects of life. Those who have posted here who seem to think that teaching these things is no part of a school's job, but should be left entirely to parents and chance, are apparently happy for society to function like a jungle. <br /><br />Unfortunately, a lot of people ARE phobic, and paranoid too, and a lot of the hatred and anger expressed on blogs (sometimes including this one) is irrational. Witness that I simply asked for facts and figures about repeated allegations that "large quantities of public money are spent on promoting homosexuality as a lifestyle" and promptly had filthy personal abuse heaped upon me by anonymous ranters. <br /><br />If the Catholic church, and all other churches, practised the fine principles they preach, the world would be a better place. Unfortunately they don't, and many self-styled religious people are eager to fuel prejudice, hatred, and cruelty. Somehow I don't think Jesus Christ would have wanted much to do with them.<br /><br />I hope that in future we can discuss this, and other contentious subjects, on Ken's generally admirable blog without descending to personal insults.<br /><br />Thanks again.anticanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8377446.post-15210837767930905732009-07-07T22:32:21.492+01:002009-07-07T22:32:21.492+01:00This thread has gone way off topic but it is inter...This thread has gone way off topic but it is interesting.<br /><br />A few observations:<br />Homosexual people are also tax payers and therefore some of their tax money should be spent on causes close to their hearts. There are many things that my tax money is spent on, which if I were given a choice, I would prefer it was not. Eg The EUSSR, PFI etc etc.<br />Homosexual couples actually tend to pay more tax compared to us straight people, as both usually work and don't have one partner having time off to have children.<br />It is wrong to promote ANY sexual matters to young schoolchildren; I refer to those at infants and junior schools, it is my opinion that nothing to do with any form of sexual relationships should be taught to such young children.<br />Equality laws seldom change people's attitudes or in other words you can't legislate what people think. As those of my generation die out, I am sure homosexuality will be more accepted, however, as shown by some posters on here, if there is a perception that one group or another is deemed more precious or important compared to another, bigots can then use this perception against that group.<br /><br />The Catholic Church, of which I am a member, does not hate homosexuals; The church loves them but, because it goes against biblical teaching, it hates what it deems to be a sin.<br />It should be noted that the Catholic church also deems any sexual contact outside of marriage to be a sin so the homosexual and hetrosexual people are treated the same. If a person is not a believer I cannot see why they would worry what a religious group thinks about anything. I do appreciate that if Islam ever got a hold in this country, then homosexuals would have a major problem; I don't believe you need to have similar fears if ever we became a Christian or Catholic country again.<br /><br />I have met nice homosexuals as well as nasty ones, the same goes for hetrosexuals. We should not judge all people on the basis of stereotypes. I must also say that some of the most unchristian people I have met have been deeply religious Christians. (or claimed to be)<br /><br />I am opposed to all forms of bullying, be that against a minority by a majority or a particular ethic group and I am also opposed to the bullying that some single issue groups carry out in the name of equality.<br /><br />We need to accept that some people are different and we should adopt an attitude of live and let live.<br />I do not like the use of the suffix "Phobe" as this means an irrational fear. I feel the left have used such language in an attempt to stifel debate. In my opinion, we should allow bigots to put their case as once out in the open, everyone will see how daft many of these bigoted views actually are, by stopping them from having their say plays into their hands as they feel that group has indeed special status.<br />Equality must mean equality, I doubt that it can ever be achieved though as people are different and have different qualities and abilities. In my view, positive discrimination is wrong as it is de facto discrimination.Tonk.noreply@blogger.com