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SAGE Chair Sir Patrick Vallance has dismissed the idea of completely eliminating covid as impossible:
“I do not think that ‘Zero Covid’ is possible. I think there is nothing to suggest that this virus will go away, at least in any time soon, it’s going to be there circulating, it may be a winter virus that comes back over winters with increasing infection rates during that period.
I don’t think that Zero Covid is possible and I think it’s going to be very difficult for any country to maintain complete absence of this long term because at some point countries have to open up borders.”
Totally irrelevant as there is no requirement to prove that you have had a vaccine, and no lawful means to compel you to reveal your private medical records.
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How can it be ok to reopen theatres, sports grounds and cinemas and let them sell alcohol without table meals - but I cannot sit outside a pub or restaurant and have a drink with my sister pic.twitter.com/g4P7R0rPjz
— Kate Nicholls (@UKHospKate) November 30, 2020
Another example of Nanny's ridiculous rules!
Maybe pubs should just show a film, that way they wouldn't have to serve food?
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Nanny and her acolytes from SAGE are determined to add a bit of No! No! No! to the season of goodwill.
Not content with banning board games (lest we start licking the playing pieces and succumb to Covid), Nanny and SAGE have put together a wee list of rules for the festive season (see above).
I would venture to observe that not every home has a fire pit (or garden!), nor the space required for placing another table in the dining area (even if there is another table spare).
I wonder if the boffins who come up with these rules, have grasped the fact that not everyone in the UK is middle class and lives in Islington?
That aside, I note with a degree of astonishment that Nanny wants Granny placed near an open window. Now whilst this might lessen her chances of going down with Covid, it most assuredly guarantees that she will go down with pneumonia.
However, if she then dies from the pneumonia you can rest assured that her death certificate will cite Covid as being the cause of death!
I have said it before, and will say it again, SAGE can get stuffed!
As England awaits news from our lord and masters in the public health lobby as to which Tier we will be placed in (SPOILER ALERT: hardly any region, if at all, will be in Tier 1), and the economy and hospitality industry is destroyed, I draw your attention to the above information from SAGE.
Pubs are safer than homes!
Therefore Nanny, by shutting the pubs, has in fact increased the spread of Covid; as people have been socialising in their Covid infested sealed homes rather than in clean, socially distanced, well ventilated pubs!
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Rumour has it that no are of England will be placed in Tier 1 tomorrow.
Spiffing!
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Good luck to everyone participating in the Great Tier Lottery, the results of which will be announced on Thursday (and payouts made on Wednesday the 2nd).
Not only is it fun, novel and exciting; it's compulsory!
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Open thread, knock yourselves out folks :)
Oh and here's my two penn'orth...
For tier 2 one way round the absurd rules is for pubs to serve drinkers with a plate containing leftovers from genuine diners, in order to provide cover if a covid inspector turns up.
Tier 3 is buggered:(
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It transpires that the dodgy models used by SAGE back in Q1 were based on not only lousy assumptions, but also dodgy data sourced from Wikipedia!
Oh, and just to double down on the amateurishness of it all, not one member of SAGE was an expert in Corona type viruses!
Watch Lockdown 1.0 - Following the Science? on BBC 2 to see the inside story on how Nanny was in fact following The Wikipedia!
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Nothing like personal experience of your own products ....got this overnight. Feeling well. Many hours of Zoom ahead. pic.twitter.com/Ims9W9gbQh
— dido harding (@didoharding) November 18, 2020
Naturally I wish her well.
However, I would ask why it took 5 days for her to be notified?
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As is all too obvious, Handock and the the others who claim to be making the decisions that affect us all wrt Covid, have been taken prisoner by the health zealots.
Not content with imposing arbitrary restrictions on people and businesses before the national lockdown, then imposing another national lockdown, these zealots are not only pushing for an extension of the lockdown but a further tightening of post lockdown restrictions (eg the ban of booze sales after 21:00).
Whether that has any effect on the alleged levels of infection is a moot point. However, what is assured is that it will further cripple the economy.
A dead economy will not be able to feed the open maw that is the NHS, these zealots might want to think about that!
There needs to be balance in this.
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Jonathan Van-Tam asked if he would take the vaccine first with the PM:
— Olly Barratt (@ollybarratt) November 11, 2020
'If I could, rightly and morally, be at the front of the queue then I would do so... but that clearly isn't right. We have to target the most highest risk individuals in society.'
Aha, so Handock et al won't be taking it first!
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On the 18 of September I sent the following FOI to the DHSC:
Dear Department of Health and Social Care,
Please can you advise what the percentage of false positive rate is wrt the current Covid tests?
Thank you.
Yours faithfully,
Ken Frost
By law they should have provided me with an answer by 16 October.
Their answer finally arrived today, here it is:
Freedom of Information Team
Department of Health and Social Care
39 Victoria Street
London
SW1H 0EU
www.gov.uk/dhsc
Mr Ken Frost
request-692093-
xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx
03/11/2020
Dear Mr Frost,
Freedom of Information Request Reference FOI-1256671
Thank you for your request dated 18 September 2020 in which you asked the Department of
Health and Social Care (DHSC):
“Please can you advise what the percentage of false positive rate is wrt the current Covid
tests?”
Your request has been handled under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
DHSC does not hold the information you requested. We do not hold percentage figures for the
false positive rate regarding current COVID-19 tests.
If you are not satisfied with the handling of your request, you have the right to appeal by asking for
an internal review. This should be submitted within two months of the date of this letter and sent to
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxx.xxx.xx, or to the address at the top of this letter.
Please remember to quote the reference number above in any future communication.
If you are not content with the outcome of your internal review, you may complain directly to the
Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO). Generally, the ICO cannot make a decision unless you
have already appealed our original response and received our internal review decision. You should
raise your concerns with the ICO within three months of your last meaningful contact with us.
The ICO can be contacted at:
The Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
https://ico.org.uk/concerns/
I have requested an internal review:
Dear Department of Health and Social Care,
Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.
I am writing to request an internal review of Department of Health and Social Care's handling of my FOI request 'False Positive Percentage'.
I asked what the false positive rate was, when you finally answered you stated that you do not hold that information:
1 Why do you not hold that information?
2 Who does?
A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/f...
Thank you
Yours faithfully,
Ken Frost
SAGE models overestimation of deaths - data presented at the government press conference on the 31st October may be four times too high. Here's why: https://t.co/srhABjK6o6@carlheneghan #EvidenceCOVID #COVIDresearch
— CEBM (@CebmOxford) November 2, 2020
The slides leaked to the BBC on estimated COVID-19 deaths, and presented at the government press conference on the 31st October, were based on different models from at least three weeks ago.
This allows us to check the projections for November the 1st.
The PHE/Cambridge model on this date has an estimated projection of 1,000 deaths, yet deaths are averaging just over 200 deaths for this date on the government’s staging website.
We estimate the Imperial model to be projecting approximately 486 deaths on the 1st of November, LSHTM 266 deaths and Warwick 234.
Saturday’s Downing Street press conference had scientists present graphs suggesting England could see 4,000 daily deaths early next month. These figures appear to be grossly misleading, even the USA has not topped 2,000 deaths per day and its population is approximately six times larger than the UK's.
Nanny has been scared witless before with the infamous Imperial model of 500K deaths, Nanny now appears to be falling for the same style of exaggerated projections again.
The models are only as good as the data and assumptions fed into them; it is apparent that both the data and assumptions used are not credible. As such, we need to ask why are SAGE allowed to take effective control of government decisions without rigorous analysis of their data and assumptions?
In the fog of war decisions have to be made on the basis of imperfect data. However, when that data is so wildly off the mark you have to question the motivation of those who present it!
It is clear that Covid should not just be allowed to rip willy nilly through the country. However, a more measured and targeted response (as the Tier system was trying to do) which is less brutal than the blunt mallet of a lockdown is surely appropriate?
At the very least, when people are being told to lockdown they deserve to be given the full facts of the costs of the lockdown (in terms of the economic, health, education and psychological damage that lockdowns cause).
Nanny Knows Best: The Hypocrisy of The Lockdown Zealots https://t.co/yD9IHzwlIz The media, certain politicians and the SAGE "boffins" are calling for another lockdown, because the first one "worked so well"!
— Ken Frost (@ken_frost) October 28, 2020
Just step back a minute and consider these points: pic.twitter.com/ipfGC9rxEC
A few weeks ago President Macron stated that another lockdown would be ruinous.
Now, despite the fact that lockdowns don't work (as I noted yesterday), he imposing another one. Except with an added twist, he is requesting people to wear masks even in their own homes!
Emmanuel Macron demande "le port du masque systématique lorsqu'on se trouve à l'intérieur en présence d'une autre personne, même un proche" pic.twitter.com/zXQ1N6YjKY
— BFMTV (@BFMTV) October 28, 2020
"Fewer family & social gatherings.....respecting social distancing including at home, systematic wearing of masks when indoors in the presence of another person, even a close family member or child. It is very important for you."
This is utter madness, and is unenforceable!
Sadly the lockdown zealots will use France's new lockdown as a means with which to push their agenda for another lockdown in the UK.
Lockdowns KILL people and businesses!
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The media, certain politicians and the SAGE "boffins" are calling for another lockdown, because the first one "worked so well"!
Just step back a minute and consider these points:
1 Lockdowns don't get rid of the virus (otherwise the first lockdown would have been a great success)
2 Lockdowns cause immense harm (economic, psychological, health - eg cancers not checked, education etc).
3 The costs (economic, psychological health, education etc) of lockdowns will be with us for many years.
It is very easy for politicians, the media, academics and the middle class to call for lockdowns when they can sit at home without having their income disrupted, safe in the knowledge that they will still have:
- Heating
- Electricity
- TV
- Phone services
- Internet
- Food, drink, fags etc
delivered to their homes by others.
However, just bear in mind that during these lockdowns millions of people have to still go outside their homes to work including, but not limited to, the following:
- medical staff
- police
- armed forces
- firemen
- postal workers
- delivery staff
- shop workers
- small shopkeepers
- milkmen
- bus drivers, tube drivers, train drivers, taxi drivers etc etc
- people who provide electricity, gas, water, internet, TV phone services etc
Therefore, when people call for a lockdown it is more than likely those calling for it won't have their livelihoods wrecked or have to continue to go outside of their homes to provide goods and services to others!
Note this well, every single day in the UK between 400-500 people die from cancer. The media don't report those deaths every day as they do Covid.
I would also note, that as a result of the lockdown those deaths (because people will have ignored symptoms or treatment has been delayed) will increase markedly in the years to come. The same will apply to other diseases.
Lockdowns KILL people and businesses!
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As the "non essential" items ban continues to unravel in Wales, Drakeford has come up with another wheeze.
Even though the current lockdown hasn't yet come to an end, Drakeford and his Labour henchment are planning another one in the New Year.
I am not a scientist, but doesn't this indicate that if they are already planning another lockdown that lockdowns don't work; and that even Drakeford (deluded as he is) knows this?
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