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Saturday, September 16, 2006

Heil The Pope

Heil The PopeWell, well, well, it seems that Pope Benedict XVI has caused something of a stir with his recent remarks at Regensburg.

In his speech at Regensburg University, the Pope explored the historical and philosophical differences between Islam and Christianity, and the relationship between violence and faith.

He quoted Emperor Manuel II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire, the Orthodox Christian empire which had its capital in what is now the Turkish city of Istanbul.

He quoted the emperor:

"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman,

such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached
."

The Pope said "I quote" twice to stress that the words were not his, and added that violence was "incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".

There has been quite a kerfuffle, with various groups of "outraged" people calling for an apology, and even some good old fashioned effigy burning (reminiscent of Belfast in the 70's).

Even in the UK some groups have called for an apology. Baroness Uddin said that politicians must put pressure on Pope Benedict to express regret for the "disappointment and hurt" that he caused by his remarks.

The Muslim Council of Britain's secretary general, Mohammed Abdul Bari, said that the emperor's views about Islam were "ill informed" and "frankly bigoted".

The British Muslim News newspaper has called for the Pope to apologise and "withdraw the insulting remarks".

Why?

Is it now illegal to quote from the past?

Let me make two points here:
  • The Catholic church teaches that the pope is infallible; as such he can say what the fuck he likes, because God is speaking through him.

    Ain't religion wonderful?

    That being said, given this hotline to God, it would have been self evident that using such a comment from a long dead emperor would have caused a reaction from some quarters.

    What The Fuck?

    Therefore the question not being asked, that should be asked, is why did he say it?

    The Vatican is now seeking to clarify the Pope's comments. Given his infallibility, surely this is unnecessary?

    Maybe the Pope is not infallible?

    That would kind of undermine a central part of Catholic teaching.


  • With regard to the hysterical reaction from some Muslims, I would note this; where a religion is mature, intellectually resilient, open to debate and has faith in a "well rounded" deity, comments made by non believers should be easily weathered. Indeed the deity worshipped by that religion, given his all powerful nature, should be well able to stand up to verbal sticks and barbs without the need for hysteria amongst his earthly followers.

    It seems that such hysteria indicates that, at least amongst those who are hysterical, their faith and understanding in their own religion is not intellectually based but programmed into them; ie they have no real understanding as to why they are followers of that religion, and are afraid to question their own belief in their religion lest they find an answer that they don't like.
I have said it before, but it is worth saying again, religion has brought nothing but misery and violence to the world.

God, if he exists, does not need the creation of flawed man made religions to validate his existence.

9 comments:

  1. CHRISTIAN POPE BENEDICT XVI IS RIGHT ABOUT ISLAM THE RELIGION OF SWORD- KALKI GAUR
    (1) ISLAMIC TERRORISM IS EVIL & INHUMAN: Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached. Pope Benedict XVI is right. It is Evil and Inhuman to propagate Islam by sword. John Paul II's Pontificate was largely defined by his relationship with a global conflict between West and East, and he implicitly supported the Islamic terrorists that bombed on 9/11, by defending the rights of Islamic terrorism and opposing President Bush’s war on Islamic terrorism. In 1391 AD in the winter barracks near Ankara - by the erudite Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. With a startling brusqueness on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." Pope Benedict XVI in a speech in Germany quotes the fourteenth-century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who challenged a Muslim correspondent to name anything not "evil and inhuman" spawned by the Prophet Mohammed. "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached," was part of an historic dialogue between the emperor, whose throne in Constantinople was then under siege by a Muslim army. Yet some question the wisdom of his decision to use a besieged emperor's depiction of Islam as a faith, which condones "acting unreasonably. Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya and Algeria might not have fallen to Islam had Persia, Byzantium and Rome militarily supported Gnostic Christians of Syria and Egypt. Persia would not have fallen to Islam had Byzantium supported Persia against Islam. Turkey would not have fallen to Islam had Papacy and Rome supported Byzantium. Europe and India has a moral obligation to win back the lands of Asia Minor and North Africa back into the fold of Christian Civilization before 2050 AD. During Pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI Hindu-Christian Pact of Civilization is possible and Christian lands stolen by Islam would return back to Christian fold in 21st Century, because the religions that expand by sword die by the sword.

    (2) CHRISTIAN-HINDU PACT OF CIVILIZATIONS: Hindu-Christian Pact of Civilizations to launch Christian Crusades on Islam and Crusades of Democracy in the Middle East. Hindus can provide 10 million soldiers to back it up. Pope John Paul II supported Wahhabi terrorists that bombed on 9/11. Pope Benedict XVI is wisely launching Crusades on Islam. The 900 million Hindus of India wholeheartedly support new Christian Crusades on Islam and new Crusades of Democracy on Islamic Middle East. Pope Benedict XVI is right that Mohammad taught nothing new except Evil and Inhuman. Hindus support all what Pope Benedict said. Hindu India wants to have a Hindu-Christianity Pact of civilizations to tame Islamic barbarism. Hindu India is willing to provide 10 million Hindu soldiers to new Christian Crusades in the Middle East and on Crusades of Democracy to the Middle East.

    (3) RECLAIM MEDITERANEAN AFRICA FOR CHRISTIANITY: Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco were thriving Christian civilizations, before they fell for Arab Muslim Bedouin invaders after 630 AD, and Arab Muslim killed all Christian men and took over Christian women by sword. The Christian Manifest destiny in 21st Century is to regain Christian Lands of Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco for Christianity again before 2050 AD. Hindu India is willing to join Christian Crusades on Mediterranean Islam and provide 10 million Hindu volunteers soldiers for this noble cause in the name of Jesus to regain Mediterranean Africa and Asia Minor back to the folds of Christian Civilization, to help Pope Benedict XVI realize his Christian Dream in first quarter of 21st Century Age of Aquarius. If Jews can return to Israel after 2100 years, there is no reason that Christians cannot return to North Africa after 1300 years and Turkey after 700 years. Victory of Christian-Hindu Alliance is predestined. Jesus shall rule over Turkey, Asia Minor and North Africa again before 2050, with the blessing of Hindus.

    Kalki Gaur, “GLOBAL CLASH OF RELIGIONS”
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  2. Anonymous1:38 PM

    Islam is the Religion of Peace.

    Anyone saying it is not so will be killed.

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  3. "I have said it before, but it is worth saying again, religion has brought nothing but misery and violence to the world."

    You and Cranmer ought to get together for an exchange of views.

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  4. big al11:14 PM

    Ain't it funny?

    The buzz-phrase is that Christianity and Islam are compatible because they "share the same god".

    I just wonder why He gives His devoted followers different advice depending on what flag they're marching under...

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  6. "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

    Don't mention......The Spanish Inquisition!!!!!!!

    And what about the thousands of pagans who died at the stake through the "Burning Times"

    Both at the behest of the RC Church.

    Pete

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  7. Anonymous3:38 PM

    As I understand it the pope's speech suggested that some followers of islam had a tendancy to violence .... and the response has proved his case beyond any shadow of a doubt! Shame that religious types don't understand irony really.

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  8. Anonymous3:42 PM

    Pete:

    ,,:Don't mention......The Spanish Inquisition!!!!!!!

    And what about the thousands of pagans who died at the stake through the "Burning Times"

    That was over 400 years ago. This is here and now the Peacefull Religion of Peace still has not dragged itself and it's followers out of the bronze age.

    We would be shocked and appalled if the Pope called for the burning times again.

    Yet we give islam a pass for their barbarianism.

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  9. If you cannot acknowledge the good that religion does, then it is just propaganda.

    J. Michael Straczynski.

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