Oh dear, I really despair sometimes when I read what certain members of the police feel is worthy of their time and energy.Lorretta Cole of North Baddesley has been getting a tad fed up with her neighbours' kids' cricket ball constantly landing in her garden.
One day it damaged her car, and she decided not to hand it back.
A classic neighbourhood dispute!
What happened next was not so "classic".
Mrs Cole was visited on three occasions by officers from Hampshire Police, who tried to persuade her to return it.
They warned her she could be arrested for theft, but she continued to hold on to the ball.
The result?
She was arresyed and detained for 5 hours while she was questioned and had her photograph, DNA and fingerprints taken.
Whilst I can see that, "technically", refusing to hand back the ball could be construed as "theft" and possibly also "wasting police time".
Surely questioning her for 5 hours and taking her DNA was a tad OTT?
She has now been released on bail, pending advice from the Crown Prosecution Service, and will have to return to the police station next month.
The ball has been seized by police as evidence.
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The most worrying thing about this case is that the father of the kid felt it necessary to call the police in......Then again, in Nanny's world, kids can do no wrong.
ReplyDeletePresumably she can bring a prosecution for the criminal damage to her car?
ReplyDeleteThe important point - if you involve the so-called police these days, nobody wins. Have the kids got their ball back? Er - no.
ReplyDeleteA pity these @%£@#**!! jobsworths haven't something better to do, such as investigating and dealing with real crime. As usual, they seem to prefer to go for easy targets!
ReplyDeleteMy Lord, you are of course correct but, do you not find it sad that parents today think it is right to involve the state/nanny/police in such a petty matter?....Mind you, it is just as daft that the state believes that it is within their remit to get involved in such a petty neighbour dispute.....It says a lot about our society and those within it that have been victims of our education/indoctrination system.
ReplyDeleteFor me, this silly fiasco illustrates much of what is wrong with our nation at this point in time.
Mrs. Cole, your neighbours have told us that you are refusing to return their cricket ball, we therefore are here to advise you that we can charge you with theft
ReplyDeleteYou are quite right that I am refusing to return the ball. That ball has already caused damage to my car, and if I return it and they damage my car again, I can be charged with aiding and abetting a criminal act. What is more, if I subsequently claim on my insurance for any damage caused, I could be charged with insurance fraud by returning the ball.
Er……er…..er…….
Now if there is nothing else, would you kindly fuck off
Know your rights and don't let anyone abuse them!
Eeh. When ah were t' lad; women who'd grab your balls in the street and not give them back were a right pain in the bum!
ReplyDelete//Quote //Theft Act 1968
ReplyDeletes1 Basic definition of theft.
1) A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and “thief” and “steal” shall be construed accordingly.
s2 Appropriation A person’s appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as dishonest—
(a)if he appropriates the property in the belief that he has in law the right to deprive the other of it, on behalf of himself or of a third person;…
s6 (2) ….where a person, having possession or control (lawfully or not) of property belonging to another, parts with the property under a condition as to its return which he may not be able to perform, this (if done for purposes of his own and without the other’s authority) amounts to treating the property as his own to dispose of regardless of the other’s rights.
//End quote//
SO- it 'might' be theft if someone told the Police 'No way, I'll never give it back' - but it probably IS theft the moment you hand it over to those coppers (as evidence) and become 'unable to' give it back...
[I wonder if the (putative) owner can testify that the ball IS his - and how it came to do the (alleged) damage?]
This Andrew Cocking of 20 Baddeley Close, North Baddesley might benefit from better parenting skills, methinks.
ReplyDeleteA good father would have apologized for the repeated disturbances, never mind the damages, and reinforced the notion of consequences for bad behaviour by making his children pony up for a new ball.
But not Mr. Andrew Cocking. Oh, no; he arranges to have the person that his children have wronged arrested!
Perhaps some other folk would like to join me in emailing him at andrew_cocking@uk.ibm.com to provide him with their "progressive" tips for better parenting?
For the children's sake, I mean. We have to think of the children!
I agree, the neighbour is a complete cock and a poor father. Personally, I would have been mortified if my kids had damaged a neighbour's car, not calling the police in.
ReplyDeleteAnd if my kids had complained that they'd lost their ball, I would have told them quite clearly they should be more careful in future, after paying from their own pockets to fix the damaged car...
Tonk. said...
ReplyDelete"My Lord, you are of course correct but, do you not find it sad that parents today think it is right to involve the state/nanny/police in such a petty matter?....Mind you, it is just as daft that the state believes that it is within their remit to get involved in such a petty neighbour dispute.....It says a lot about our society and those within it that have been victims of our education/indoctrination system.
For me, this silly fiasco illustrates much of what is wrong with our nation at this point in time."
Yes, Tonk, I certainly do think it sad that parents go running to the police over a petty matter like this. The problem is that those who engage in antisocial or criminal behaviour are now encouraged to see themselves as victims, whilst the real victims are treated with indifference, if not outright contempt by the authorities.
Mr Potato Head said...
"I agree, the neighbour is a complete cock and a poor father. Personally, I would have been mortified if my kids had damaged a neighbour's car, not calling the police in.
And if my kids had complained that they'd lost their ball, I would have told them quite clearly they should be more careful in future, after paying from their own pockets to fix the damaged car..."
Quite rightly too! It's a great pity there aren't more parents who think the way you do, instead of blaming everyone but themselves and their kids.
"Surely questioning her for 5 hours and taking her DNA was a tad OTT?"
ReplyDeleteI have to disagree with you, Ken. It is a right, proper and proportionate means of obtaining fingerprints, photos and DNA samples to be handed over to fake democratic eastern european begging bowl states under the European Investigation Order.
No wonder there are no police to go visit the person who attacked my friend (in the middle of a shop) and nearly cut his throat.
ReplyDeleteIf it wasn't bad enough the person who did this teaches martial arts to children and hasn't even been given a warning.
More police state Britain. But no surprise the filth can kill someone in a London street in fullv view of the public and be filmed into the bargain and walk free.
ReplyDeleteJust a forestaste of what is come when our EUSSR masters deploy German French etc police to help the old bill 'keep European order' They are already planning it.